11-13-2008, 08:26 PM
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In order to bring the club to life again lets go for this,otherwise with the exisiting limited cababilites we are dead.
Chose between the trainer and the competition glider:
The Trainer is more as an aircraft with gliding ability, where the competition glider is a real glider, with an amazing pop out propeller to launch (and to restart in flight if needed )...
The trainer:
The trainer uses more engine time than the competition glider
The trainer is a side-by-side seating
The trainer is quite a bit noisier because of the wind around the canopy
The trainer is NOT aerobatic
The trainer has low gliding performance.
HOWEVER, the trainer is CHEAPER!
The Competition Glider:
The Competition glider uses the engine only a very short time for the launch
The Competition glider is front and back seating
The Competition glider is very silent, due to his slick shape
The Competition glider is aerobatic
The Competition glider has of course very good gliding performance.
It is right that the Competition glider is a bit more expensive (but how often will you do or buy a gift voucher for such an amazing flight?), because it cost $300 000.00.
The Trainer:
The Scheibe SF 25 C "Falke"
VH GLA and VH GVZ
The Falke is the most popular motorglider in the world. Over 1200 have been sold worldwide. In 1997, the type was upgraded with a reinforced fuselage and either a 80 HP or a 100 HP engine, and thus became certified as a glider tug. It will tow a fully loaded ASH 25 and clear a 50 ft. obstacle off a grass field 2000 feet long. Our SF 25 C has a 80 HP Limbach engine. It will cruise at over 70 knots using only 12 liters per hour, and has a range of almost 350 miles. With the engine shut down, it will soar and glide about like a Schweizer 1-26. As any L/D can be simulated by using partial engine power, it is also an excellent trainer for any type sailplane. The side-by-side seating offers good visibility and with the low engine noise, conversation is easy.
Specifications:
Engine: Limbach 2000 CC
Propeller: Hoffman
Fuel: Unleaded 98 oct
Span: 50.2 ft
Length: 24.9 ft
Gross Wt.: 1430 lbs
Payload: 460 lbs
Top Speed: 103 kts
Stall Speed: 35 kts.
The Competition Gliders:
DG 500 M
DG Flugzeugbau DG-500M/2
VH-GKX - the master of the skies
Specifications
• Span:- 22m / 72.2ft
• Area:- 18.29m2 / 196.8ft2
• Aspect ratio:- 19.52
• Airfoil:- Wortmann FX-73-K-170/20 root; -170/22 tip
• Empty weight:- 445kg / 981lb
• Payload:- 305kg / 672lb
• Water Ballast:- 160kg / 353lb
• Gross weight:- 750kg / 1,653lb
• Wing loading:- 41.0kg/m2 / 8.40lb/ft2
• Structure:- CFRP/GFRP
Performance
• L/D:- max 47 @ 111kph / 60kts
• Min sink:- 0.51m/s / 1.67fps / 0.99kts @ 80kph / 43kts / 50mph
• Vne:- 270kph / 146kts / 168mph
The DG-500 comes in a number of sizes which all share the same basic fuselage. The 500T Elan Trainer, which first flew in 1989 has an unflapped 18 m. wing without provision for Water Ballast; retractable gear is an option. The front cockpit design has been purposely made similar to that of the DG-300 Club. The higher performance versions (DG-50022 Elan and DG-500 M) have a 22 m flapped wing and are, respectively, unpowered and self-launch models. VH-GKX is the powered model (DG-500M) and has a liquid cooled Rotax powerplant on an electrically retracting pylon, digital engine instrumentation (DEI) and Water Ballast reduced to 100 kg / 220 lb and comes with a steerable nosewheel. The DEI, which has instrumentation in both cockpits, shows rpm, temperatures, pressures and fuel quantity as well as controlling the amount of fuel injected by the electronic fuel system. Engine retraction is automatic once the propeller has been stopped and centred. All 22m ships, which have a four piece wing, have retractable gear as standard. Performance of the 500M is similar to the 500/22 Elan, but empty and Gross weights are 565 kg./ 1,246 lb And 825/1,819 lb Respectively.
The DG , "GKX" over the ocean, tracking to the Byron Bay Lighthouse.
ASK 21 MI
The Concept
The recipe is straight forward. Take a very popular two-seater and fit a proven and powerful engine for conversion it into a self-launcher. What you get is a very interesting aircraft that opens the door for highly efficient training on one hand and allows independent operations without gliding infrastructure on the other.
Self Launching, Training, Performance
ASK 21 Mi - A Trainer like No
In order to bring the club to life again lets go for this,otherwise with the exisiting limited cababilites we are dead.
Chose between the trainer and the competition glider:
The Trainer is more as an aircraft with gliding ability, where the competition glider is a real glider, with an amazing pop out propeller to launch (and to restart in flight if needed )...
The trainer:
The trainer uses more engine time than the competition glider
The trainer is a side-by-side seating
The trainer is quite a bit noisier because of the wind around the canopy
The trainer is NOT aerobatic
The trainer has low gliding performance.
HOWEVER, the trainer is CHEAPER!
The Competition Glider:
The Competition glider uses the engine only a very short time for the launch
The Competition glider is front and back seating
The Competition glider is very silent, due to his slick shape
The Competition glider is aerobatic
The Competition glider has of course very good gliding performance.
It is right that the Competition glider is a bit more expensive (but how often will you do or buy a gift voucher for such an amazing flight?), because it cost $300 000.00.
The Trainer:
The Scheibe SF 25 C "Falke"
VH GLA and VH GVZ
The Falke is the most popular motorglider in the world. Over 1200 have been sold worldwide. In 1997, the type was upgraded with a reinforced fuselage and either a 80 HP or a 100 HP engine, and thus became certified as a glider tug. It will tow a fully loaded ASH 25 and clear a 50 ft. obstacle off a grass field 2000 feet long. Our SF 25 C has a 80 HP Limbach engine. It will cruise at over 70 knots using only 12 liters per hour, and has a range of almost 350 miles. With the engine shut down, it will soar and glide about like a Schweizer 1-26. As any L/D can be simulated by using partial engine power, it is also an excellent trainer for any type sailplane. The side-by-side seating offers good visibility and with the low engine noise, conversation is easy.
Specifications:
Engine: Limbach 2000 CC
Propeller: Hoffman
Fuel: Unleaded 98 oct
Span: 50.2 ft
Length: 24.9 ft
Gross Wt.: 1430 lbs
Payload: 460 lbs
Top Speed: 103 kts
Stall Speed: 35 kts.
The Competition Gliders:
DG 500 M
DG Flugzeugbau DG-500M/2
VH-GKX - the master of the skies
Specifications
• Span:- 22m / 72.2ft
• Area:- 18.29m2 / 196.8ft2
• Aspect ratio:- 19.52
• Airfoil:- Wortmann FX-73-K-170/20 root; -170/22 tip
• Empty weight:- 445kg / 981lb
• Payload:- 305kg / 672lb
• Water Ballast:- 160kg / 353lb
• Gross weight:- 750kg / 1,653lb
• Wing loading:- 41.0kg/m2 / 8.40lb/ft2
• Structure:- CFRP/GFRP
Performance
• L/D:- max 47 @ 111kph / 60kts
• Min sink:- 0.51m/s / 1.67fps / 0.99kts @ 80kph / 43kts / 50mph
• Vne:- 270kph / 146kts / 168mph
The DG-500 comes in a number of sizes which all share the same basic fuselage. The 500T Elan Trainer, which first flew in 1989 has an unflapped 18 m. wing without provision for Water Ballast; retractable gear is an option. The front cockpit design has been purposely made similar to that of the DG-300 Club. The higher performance versions (DG-50022 Elan and DG-500 M) have a 22 m flapped wing and are, respectively, unpowered and self-launch models. VH-GKX is the powered model (DG-500M) and has a liquid cooled Rotax powerplant on an electrically retracting pylon, digital engine instrumentation (DEI) and Water Ballast reduced to 100 kg / 220 lb and comes with a steerable nosewheel. The DEI, which has instrumentation in both cockpits, shows rpm, temperatures, pressures and fuel quantity as well as controlling the amount of fuel injected by the electronic fuel system. Engine retraction is automatic once the propeller has been stopped and centred. All 22m ships, which have a four piece wing, have retractable gear as standard. Performance of the 500M is similar to the 500/22 Elan, but empty and Gross weights are 565 kg./ 1,246 lb And 825/1,819 lb Respectively.
The DG , "GKX" over the ocean, tracking to the Byron Bay Lighthouse.
ASK 21 MI
The Concept
The recipe is straight forward. Take a very popular two-seater and fit a proven and powerful engine for conversion it into a self-launcher. What you get is a very interesting aircraft that opens the door for highly efficient training on one hand and allows independent operations without gliding infrastructure on the other.
Self Launching, Training, Performance
ASK 21 Mi - A Trainer like No